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		<title>Domaining  Like It&#8217;s 1999 (GoDaddy Glitch)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has only happened once before, at the .ME launch, when I was able to register through GoDaddy great names like Portland.Me, Camden.Me, Hire.Me, Tag.Me, and RSVP.Me.  I was right there on opening day so for about an hour I thought I actually owned those domains. I had put them in my Shopping Cart and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has only happened once before, at the .ME launch, when I was able to register through GoDaddy great names like Portland.Me, Camden.Me, Hire.Me, Tag.Me, and RSVP.Me.  I was right there on opening day so for about an hour I thought I actually owned those domains. I had put them in my Shopping Cart and paid for them. I got the order email, but I never got the confirmation email (see: <a title="GoDaddy Dot Me Fiasco" href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;num=30&amp;q=godaddy+.me+fiasco&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi=" target="_blank">godaddy .me fiasco</a>).</p>
<p>But last night (111409 @ 8:30PDT) I had about 20 minutes to kill so for fun I ran my collection of previously unavailable domain names through the GoDaddy Bulk Checker. Whenever I check for a name I add it to my list of unavailables and then about once a month check them. Occasionally something will become available. Usually by that time I can&#8217;t even remember why I was checking the name to begin with, but last night I hit pay dirt and for about 40 minutes I was domaining like it was 1999! Fascinating how you can rationalize&#8230; I knew it was an anomaly to be finding these sorts of names available but I found  myself thinking, &#8220;Well you&#8217;ve certainly let a lot of stuff drop lately, maybe these weren&#8217;t measuring up and got dropped.&#8221; Or even&#8230; &#8220;Maybe some major domainer died and his domains just dropped! And I just happened to be on GoDaddy the day they fell.&#8221; Funny! I mean, they weren&#8217;t THAT great, and of the 5000 I checked, only about a dozen were available.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I bought, the numbers are the number of Google search results, in quotes is for exact match:<br />
NEGATIVESCANNER.COM 105,000 for &#8220;negative scanner&#8221;<br />
NEGATIVESCANNERS.COM    234,000 for &#8220;negative scanners&#8221;<br />
SKIRTSFORMEN.COM  438,000 for &#8220;skirts for men&#8221;<br />
SOLARCAMPINGLIGHTS.COM 1,190,000 for &#8220;solar camping lights&#8221;<br />
SOLARCLOTHES.COM    12,100 for &#8220;solar clothes&#8221; -dryer 16,500 for &#8220;solar clothing&#8221;<br />
COMPUTERRECOVERY.COM 82,100,000 for computer recovery. 66,300 for &#8220;computer recovery&#8221;<br />
TINKERER.COM<br />
TABLETTE.COM 2,900,000 for &#8220;tablette&#8221;<br />
TABLETTES.COM 2,430,000 for &#8220;tablettes&#8221;<br />
ATTITUDETSHIRTS.COM 88,700 for &#8220;attitude shirt&#8221;<br />
SHOETOSS.COM<br />
CATSCANNERS.COM 80,100 for &#8220;cat scanners&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s <a title="GoDaddy Gotch Receipt" href="http://www.domainnoob.com/media/godaddyglitch.html" target="_blank">what the receipt looks like</a>.</p>
<p>Sure enough, about an hour after I received the order confirmation email I got the bad news (x12).</p>
<blockquote><p>Dear John Humphrey,</p>
<p>The following domain name has failed to be registered:</p>
<p>TINKERER.COM</p>
<p>Error: TINKERER.COM:  cannot register &#8211; already registered</p>
<p>We will evaluate this error and retry the registration if appropriate.</p>
<p>If we are unable to successfully register the domain name, your account will be credited accordingly. Please allow one business day for the refund to be processed.</p></blockquote>
<p>It was a real rush to register those names. Not for the feint of heart though. All in all I probably spent a couple of hours crunching names in the GoDaddy bulk checker. It wasn&#8217;t a complete waste of time because there were actually a few on my list that WERE available. FOLDABLEELECTRICSCOOTER.COM &amp; FOLDABLEELECTRICSCOOTERS.COM and I&#8217;m happy about that.</p>
<p>It would be nice if GoDaddy would acknowledge their responsibility for the error with at least a token gesture – a free domain name or two for example, but I won&#8217;t keep my fingers crossed.</p>
<p>If you want to know what it was actually like to be domaining in 1999, check out my <a title="Eric Borgos interview at DomainNoob.com" href="http://www.domainnoob.com/blog/2009/11/how-to-make-money-online-no-really-my-interview-with-eric-borgos-of-impulsecorp-com/">Eric Borgos</a> interview.</p>
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		<title>The Drop</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 04:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is a chronic anxiety disorder most commonly characterized by obsessive, distressing, intrusive thoughts and related compulsions (tasks or &#8220;rituals&#8221;) which attempt to neutralize the obsessions.&#8221; (Wikipedia) If you&#8217;re an OCD domainer (OCDomainer.com available as of 10/17/08) the &#8216;Drop&#8217; is very likely to become a ritual you feel compelled to perform daily. Ask [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is a chronic anxiety disorder most commonly characterized by obsessive, distressing, intrusive thoughts and related compulsions (tasks or &#8220;rituals&#8221;) which attempt to neutralize the obsessions.&#8221; (Wikipedia)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re an OCD domainer (OCDomainer.com available as of 10/17/08) the &#8216;Drop&#8217; is very likely to become a ritual you feel compelled to perform daily. Ask me how I know. The Drop has all the ingredients necessary to inspire a full-blown obsession. It&#8217;s seductive. There&#8217;s the mystery–information is a little hard to come by. It&#8217;s full of possibility–&#8221;With my special knowledge around the topic of (DNA Gene Sequencing, Farley Torque Sprockets, Gaspers) I might discover the Dropping Gem that will catapult me into the sphere of Elite Domainers! (You picture yourself shaking Frank&#8217;s hand). Maybe you stumble upon a story of catching an expired name, <a href="http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/03/how-to-snatch-an-expiring-domain">like this one</a>, (It&#8217;s a little dated, add NameJet.com to the list of back-ordering services, but still the best overview I&#8217;ve come across). Or maybe you stumble upon a site like <a href="http://dropdude.com/">DropDude.com</a> or <a href="http://GoDrops.com">GoDrops.com</a> &#8211; a lot of action going on here with The Drop. It could be a forum post, where you read  someone nonchalantly boasting about catching &#8216;spareparts.com&#8217; in The Drop for Reg. fee.  &#8220;Maybe I should look into this!&#8221;.</p>
<p>So you start  collecting details and one day you hit a goldmine of drop information like these posts from <a href="http://www.dotweekly.com/">DotWeekly.com</a>:<br />
<a href="http://www.dotweekly.com/2008/03/03/domain-name-drop-times-and-partner-domains/">Domain Name Drop Times and Partner Domains</a>, and <a href="http://www.dotweekly.com/2008/02/26/tips-for-using-redropscom/">Tips for using Redrops.com</a>. Inspiration! Maybe this &#8216;insider seeming&#8217; info will help open the gates to Domain Riches!</p>
<p>However you come to it, sooner or later you end up with a very long <a href="https://www.snapnames.com/download.jsp">list</a> of deleting domains on your screen. A VERY long list.</p>
<p>And one morning around 11am PDT you start loading your names into <a href="http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/registrar/bulk/bulk.asp?">GoDaddy&#8217;s bulk checker</a> 500 at a time. Harvesting the Availables you scan them for desirability. Whew! What a load of junk! Who would have registered this crap in the first place? No wonder they&#8217;re dropping. Wait, what&#8217;s that? NewportBeachPizzas.com? Hmm&#8230; would this be a good candidate for my &#8216;Geo Portfolio&#8217;? Let&#8217;s Reg it! Oops, gone already.</p>
<p>A couple of days (weeks, months) of this and you&#8217;re thinking, &#8220;There&#8217;s got to be a better way. Maybe I should look for the names I want first and only try to catch those!&#8221; So begins the search for a method to massage that list into something useful, hopefully valuable.</p>
<p>You get lucky and the first site you find is one of the best, <a href="http://www.lazymate.com/">LazyMate.com</a>. Or you mess around with  spreadsheets and bang your head against Excel&#8217;s raw ugliness. Maybe you have a favorite text editor that lets you search using Grep. Finally, poking around in tomorrow&#8217;s  list you discover a couple of domains anybody would want. And a few dozen more that you&#8217;d have to think twice about.</p>
<p>Round 2. 11am PDT. GoDaddy bulk checker at the ready. And they&#8217;re off! Over the next hour you plug your list into the checker over and over waiting/hoping one of the names you covet will become available long enough for you to register it. But, unless you&#8217;re looking for some pretty obscure stuff, you don&#8217;t. Somebody else gets them. &#8220;Who&#8217;s getting these great names? It&#8217;s like Free Money falling from the sky.&#8221; Who indeed!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dnjournal.com/columns/cover080504.htm">Inside a Drop Catcher’s War Room</a> Command Post! War Room! Quite a bit of competition for these dropping names (and that was written in 2004). I guess I&#8217;m a little behind the curve. The Big Boys have Armies of Servers at their disposal. So what are they leaving on the table?</p>
<p>This takes you to the next tier of The Drop– Back-Ordering companies, who for a fee, will use their army of servers to try and grab the domain you want as it drops. They&#8217;re in competition against each other, so if you want that name you&#8217;ll register it at all of them, or at least the big three: <a href="https://www.snapnames.com/index.jsp">SnapNames</a>, <a href="http://www.namejet.com/">NameJet</a>, and <a href="https://www.pool.com/index.aspx">Pool</a>. If you&#8217;re the only bidder and your back order gets won, congratulations, you become the new owner of the domain. But if more than one person had the domain on back-order then the domain enters into auction and you may well find yourself bidding against some very deep pockets. I got lucky a few times–grabbed a domain that wasn&#8217;t on anyone else&#8217;s radar for $60. Spent more money than I wanted to a couple of times– $400 I couldn&#8217;t afford for a development domain I still have parked a year later. And got blown out of the bidding immediately a few times where a domain I thought might be under the radar had been spotted by a dozen deep-pocket domainers who bid it way out of my league.</p>
<p>But with so many domains dropping daily there MUST be great names falling between the cracks, so what else are the &#8216;little guys&#8217; doing with The Drop?</p>
<p>Aha! There are <a href="http://www.dynadot.com/resource/forums/f6-engineering-corner/another-dynadot-api-implementation-php-search-and-register-domain-names-1305.html">scripts</a> and an <a href="http://www.dynadot.com/help/question.html?aid=155">API</a>! And <a href="http://www.domainresearchtool.com/go.php?a=475">DomainResearchTool</a> (alas, PC only)– Scan large lists looking for expired domains with traffic!  You can run your own version of the War Room! No more manual GoDaddy submissions. DropDude offers the <a href="http://dropdude.com/2008/10/20/the-dynadot-drop-catcher-is-back//">Dynadot Drop Catcher</a>. (Also check out Jason&#8217;s article on his business model, <a href="http://dropdude.com/articles/the-flip/">The Flip</a>). See how it&#8217;s done live with other domainers at GoDrop&#8217;s <a href="http://godrops.com/live/">Live Chat and Drop</a>. I also signed up for the daily list of best-of-available-drops emailed 3 times a week from <a href="http://www.dailydomaindrop.com/">DailyDomainDrop.com</a>.</p>
<p>So what are these guys catching? Good stuff? Well&#8230; I guess it depends on how you measure the results, right? If you measure it by ROI, then Jason at DropDude, using his self-hosted script method, scoring mostly Premium LLLL.nets, is probably doing pretty good. He seems to be making about 200% on an $8 name, i.e. flipping it for $20-30 without too much trouble. The other guys I mention seem to be more about building inventory than flipping. Domain inventory might turn out to have some value. Or it might not.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a short list of the kind of domains people are catching off The Drop themselves with their various methods.</p>
<p>DropDude<br />
&#8220;The 4 I grabbed were, elnt.net, lghg.net, rgfc.net and thcb.net.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I got lucky today, picked up 8 quad premium llll.net domain names.  I am already looking to unload them at my standard $9 price tag.  These small sales are what helps me fund other projects like the one I started yesterday.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I grabbed dumpsterdivers.net yesterday and have already started it on it’s way to a money making mini-site.&#8221;</p>
<p>GoDrops (See also: <a href="http://godrops.com/grabs/">GoDrops Grabs</a>)<br />
babyheadstart.com, fasthandyman.com, excellentringtones.com, 17452.com, d-w-a.net, publicsurf.com<br />
17164.com, 30997.com, tintwindow.com, 5051.net, geobabes.com, beerscore.com, f-d-a.net, humboo.com</p>
<p>DailyDomainDrops (List published as available drops).<br />
DialogueBlog.com, GeoPatrol.com, HiTechAnalyst.com, LiveSeeker.com, MemberCam.com<br />
SatelliteEye.com, ScottsdaleEstatePlanning.com, SoCalNights.com, IsraelAccommodations.com<br />
BritainAccommodations.com, GreatBritainAccommodations.com, GreenerClothes.com<br />
GreenRecreation.com, YourAnchorage.com, YourProvidence.com, YourSaltLakeCity.com</p>
<p>And on and on.<br />
Now, I didn&#8217;t call my blog DomainNoob for nothing. Frankly I&#8217;m not making ANY money domaining (apart from a tiny bit of Parked PPC) so what do I know? But personally, I&#8217;m sort of baffled by a lot of the attention paid to these long-tail double keyword domains, and also the whole LLLL phenomenon. I don&#8217;t really get this part of the market. I look at the auction lists and understand why those names are going for big bucks. I subscribe to <a href="http://www.ricklatona.com/">Rick Latona</a>&#8216;s Daily Domains Newsletter, and the prices for those domains make sense. It&#8217;s just this short end of the marketplace that I&#8217;m not making any sense of.<br />
And if these are the kinds of domains I&#8217;m going to find left over between the cracks after combing through deleting domain lists until my eyes bleed I have to ask myself–<strong>Is it really worth the trouble</strong>?<br />
What do you think?</p>
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